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April 21, 2008
An Interview with Morgan SpurlockFinding Osama Bin LadenBy WAJAHAT ALI I met with Morgan Spurlock, documentary filmmaker and star of the newly released “Where in the World is Osama Bin Laden” and the Oscar nominated “Super Size Me,” at a posh Palo Alto hotel where the small coffee costs four dollars (thankfully including milk and sugar.) Despite becoming famous and notorious after using and abusing himself as a laboratory rat by eating three super sized MacDonald’s meals a day for a month [Super Size Me], Spurlock exudes an amiable, goofy “regular guy” charm. After meeting him, one understands how his humorous, good-natured masochism, as evidenced by the increasingly bizarre and theatrical stunts he pulls on his hit show 30 Days, makes him likeable and appealing to mainstream audiences. However, categorizing Spurlock as either an MTV Jackass or shameless, sensationalist self-promoter would be premature and incorrect. Spurlock primarily wants to educate America about pressing socio-political topics using entertainment as the sweetener to make the harsh medicine of reality easier to swallow. His “info-tainment” approach finds its most ambitious and controversial hurdle in his latest movie where he traverses the globe, hitting all the “Muslim danger zones” [except Iraq and Iraq] to find the elusive Osama Bin Laden. The impetus for such a bold adventure arises from the birth of his new child and Spurlock’s desire to make this increasingly insane world safer for future generations. While watching the movie, one realizes Spurlock intends to accomplish this task by communicating with Muslims around the world and hearing their side of the story in order to build a bridge of understanding between the two “civilizations.” Here’s an exclusive conversation I had with Morgan Spurlock a week before his new movie’s release. ALI: First of all, I don’t know whether to punch you in the stomach or hug you for Super Size Me… SPURLOCK: (Laughs) There was a guy that I met in Texas who came up to me and said, “I just want you to know that I hate you.” I said, “Why do you hate me?” He goes, “Cause every time I go to a fast food restaurant, I gotta buy two big drinks… ALI: Why don’t you and Eric Schlosser [author of Fast Food Nation] just ignore this? Why can’t ignorance be bliss for you guys… SPURLOCK: (Laughs) Hey, Eric was first. He came long before I did. ALI: Some would say what good came from this masochistic enterprise? SPURLOCK: I think the greatest thing that came out of that film was… for me, people say, “Look at the way it made this company look at the way they do business.” For me, I think the greater thing that came out of that film was the way it affected people. I get stopped by individuals all the time and they talk about how it affected how they eat, how they exercise, how they sit down and had dinner as a family. A mom stopped me on the street and said, “I saw your film and now we eat dinner as a family every night.” There’s a guy that stopped me in the airport last week and in Chicago who said, “I told myself that if I ever got to meet you in person, I would thank you. I want to show you something.” He reaches in his wallet and pulls out a picture of him 150 pounds heavier. He said, “That was me right when I saw your film. I lost 150 pounds since then.” There are all these things that affected people in a very personal way and it empowered them. This film empowered a lot of people to say, “I’m going to change. I’m going to do something better.” And that’s incredible. ALI: Here’s a criticism you got for that documentary. They said the test subject that you used – yourself – and the means by which you used it – three big super-sized meals a day – is not indicative of the average American’s consumption. Thus, the results are either exaggerated or hyperbolic and that lays to waste any claim that this could be hazardous. SPURLOCK: But there were plenty of doctors… I mean, Dr. Gangi, who was one of two of my gastroenterologists in the film, she went on to write a paper for the Journal of American Medicine. She’s seen people for years who had been coming in for long term liver damage that she thought was food related. So she basically says, when she sees this film, that here’s an example of what can happen to you over 5, 10, 15 years of eating a diet that’s filled with this. Maybe you don’t eat McDonald’s three times a day, but I know plenty of people who will have McDonald’s one day, fried chicken the next day, Pizza Hut the next day, and then Wendy’s the next day and they say, “Well, I only eat McDonald’s once a week.” But then they’re filling in the gaps with Applebee’s and TGI Fridays and all of the other things that we think are…. SPURLOCK: I did, yeah. Voice in the background: Get the fuck outta here! SPURLOCK: (Laughs) ALI: I’m gonna use that. Now I lost my train of thought. SPURLOCK: Not good, I don’t recommend it. Voice in the background: Man, I’ve been there five times, and I still don’t seem to get it. Anyway, it’s amazing to meet you. SPURLOCK: (Laughs) Nice to meet you. Thanks a lot. ALI: He’s got a new movie out. Voice in the background: What, “Stay Away from Burger King?” ALI: Well there you go. Case in point. Speaking of masochism, let’s do a Freudian Spurlock-on-Spurlock analysis. SPURLOCK: (Laughs) ALI: In Super Size Me, you gained 25 pounds, destroyed your health. You also went to jail (in 30 Days) for 25 days. Anyone who’s gone to jail or knows anyone who has knows that it’s not a good place to go. For “Where in the World is Osama bin Laden,” your new movie, you travel to the most dangerous parts of the world. So what prompts this daredevil journalism. SPURLOCK: For me, I think Super Size Me really pushed me on a path which led to 30 Days on [US television network] FX. This idea of being able to look at someone else’s life or go somewhere that most people would never get to go, experience things that most people would never get to experience, and kind of tell a story through that. What I’m going through, you’re going through, what I’m feeling, you’re feeling, what I learn, you learn. That excited me a lot. It started with Super Size Me and then transcended to 30 Days in a much different way, and grew a lot. What I get out of it, I find to be incredibly gratifying as a filmmaker and as a person, as a human being. Going into a situation and going into these environments makes me have a much better understanding of people who are there. To strip yourself from a lot of the things around you that make you comfortable is a really challenging thing that most of us don’t do or don’t get a chance to do. ALI: A lot of people don’t know that you actually started off as a playwright and then turned into a documentary filmmaker. So were you officially starving to death on your typewriter? SPURLOCK: No, I was starving to death years before that. I was working in the film industry too and was writing screenplays at the same time. Where it was the hardest was when I started a company called The Interactive Consortium, which we called The Con. With The Con, we ultimately made Super Size Me. There was a time before 9/11 where we were strapped for cash and I was using credit cards to pay my employees, pay the rent, and pay other credit cards. I got evicted from my apartment. I was sleeping in a hammock in my office. I still had an office, so I thought, “It’s not over yet!” I was going out with Alex at that time, so she loved me and supported me then so I was lucky. Right about that time was when MTV green-lit our show, “I Bet You Will,” and picked up the series. Ultimately it was the money we made from that show that paid for Super Size Me. You can’t predict how things are going to work out. ALI: I have to ask this question, even though I know the answer. You’re this tall, blonde, blue-eye’d white dude. You say, “I’m going to go to a Muslim country and make a documentary called, “Where in the World is Osama bin Laden?” SPURLOCK: We were talking about that film [after] the first season of 30 Days. It had started to air when we started talking about what movie we were going to do next. We were already producing a film, “What Would Jesus Buy,” that I was producing out of my office in New York City. For me, I wanted to try to find something for my next movie that would deal with something that didn’t just affect Americans or that wasn’t just an American film, but dealt with all of us, that touched all of us in some way. So it was 2005. Bush had just been elected to a second term. Some new Osama tape came out and every TV station, every radio station was talking about it, saying, “Why haven’t we found this guy? Where is he? We want justice. Where in the world is Osama bin Laden.” And I thought, “That’s a great question. I’d like to learn that too.” So that was the jumping off point. I’m going to go look for this guy. I’m going to find out why we haven’t found him and start to give the whole background into the government’s search for him. We raised a little bit of money to start pre-production. About two months into that process was when we found out that Alex was pregnant. There was a real “Oh, should we be doing this” moment. This isn’t a smart thing to do. This is a mistake. She and I talked about it and the more we talked about it, the more she saw why I wanted to make the film and why it was important to me. So she agreed. She didn’t like it, she didn’t think it was the smartest thing to do, but she was incredibly supportive and is a saintly human being for putting up with me and encouraging me to do the things I want to do as a filmmaker. That’s when the movie really shifted for me. It went from being “Where in the World is Osama bin Laden” and what kind of world creates Osama to what kind of world am I bringing a kid into. It took a turn. That became the driving force behind all the questions. ALI: So about the blue-eyed, white guy chilling in the Middle East… there had to be fear…. SPURLOCK: Oh, of course. I went in with all my preconceived notions that there was going to be a lot of hostility, there was going to be a lot of resentment. And we did encounter some, everywhere we went. We did find people who didn’t like Americans, but the majority of people wanted to talk to us. The majority of people wanted to sit down and have a conversation and tell us how they felt. The one thing that I did when making this film that my mother would be very proud of was that I actually listened. My mom always used to say, “You’ll be a better kid if you just listen.” So when people would be unhappy or upset, I let them talk and let them vent and then we could have a real conversation. We could really just talk about things. And you hear things that are disheartening as an American, how much people hate your country and what they think of you on the world stage. How they used to idolize your country and look up to it and now they don’t anymore. Like the guy in the film, he says, “we’ve grown to expect a lot more from the United States.” It’s tough to hear. ALI: If you go there as a Muslim, you get treated like everyone else. But as an American, when I go back there, they hate you as an American. SPURLOCK: So you get it from both sides? That sucks. ALI: Yeah. A teacher of mine once made this point. He said the best teachers are 75% theatrical, 25% teaching. I noticed this in the movie, you use a lot of video games, a lot of computer graphics and cell animation. Is this the way to make your points more accessible to the mainstream? SPURLOCK: Definitely. Absolutely. One of my beliefs as a filmmaker is that if you can make somebody laugh, you can make them listen. With laughter, you can get somebody’s guard down, you can open them up to listening to you. They don’t feel like they’re being preached to or talked down to. I think it helps, it makes really hard to understand information a little more accessible and palatable. And at the end of the day, it makes a movie a little more fun. It doesn’t feel so heavy handed. ALI: Wouldn’t some consider that condescending, this leaning towards infotainment? SPURLOCK: Well, these are the same people who said we were making light of a serious issue, that you can’t make a joke about this. Lily Tomlin said something years ago, and I’m paraphrasing, that you have to find humor in everything, because by finding humor, you find humanity. And I think that’s what comes out of this at the end. There’s a tremendous amount of humanity in the film, and it’s obvious. It really does come from the people that you meet, the situations you’re in, and the humor that develops from it. From me wearing traditional clothing in places where I am a big, tall white guy… the fixers told me, “No, you should wear traditional clothes. It’ll endear you to them. They’ll want to talk to you, they’ll embrace you.” And it’s true. Everywhere we went, the minute I showed up wearing shalwaar kameez or a thobe with a kafiyyeh, people would say, “Oh you look like a Saudi. Look at you!” All these little things really seem to matter. ALI: How did you as one guy travel around the world and get access to, as you said, actual Muslim people. Whereas if CNN, Fox News, and multi-million dollar corporations for the past 6 years have not been able to give this very simple, but real, examination of the Muslim people? SPURLOCK: For me, that was one of the big things. We talked to a lot of politicians and we talked to people you usually see in the media. And when you get back and you start putting this movie together, it really became obvious to me that the story was the people, the people that I don’t get to see on two-minute sound bites on the news. It painted a portrait of what life is like for a lot of these people around the world. Even in places like Saudi Arabia, there were so many women that were open to talk to us. ALI: Here’s a criticism you’re going to get. This is typical, progressive, knee-jerk, anti-American propaganda, spawned by Hollywood and Spurlock. SPURLOCK: For me, I don’t think it’s typical at all. You’d be hard pressed to find my opinion in this movie. What you hear is a lot of other people’s opinions and their outlooks. One of the things I’d like people to really take away at the end of the movie is… how does it affect them? How does it affect you? What do you believe? I don’t tell you what to think. I tell you how things personally affect me, but I’m not telling you what to think. We went into this with the best of intentions and I think those intensions play out over the course of the movie. ALI: On Rotten Tomatoes, some of the critics are saying, “You know what, nothing’s resolved in this movie. He doesn’t provide answers. He doesn’t tell us anything that we already don’t know. And he didn’t find Osama.” Well intentioned, but nothing revelatory. SPURLOCK: And if you haven’t heard, fast food is bad for you as well. Super Size Me at the time got a lot of the same criticism. But at the same time, Super Size Me reached an audience that didn’t consume news everyday and didn’t know everything that was happening all over the world. I think we’ve unplugged and become very apathetic to a lot of things that are happening. There’s so much going on and we’re sort of disconnected. Even for the people who are already media savvy, who read the New York Times everyday, there’s still something new in here. There’s a great chance for this to sort of bridge a gap. I spoke to a woman who went to a screening and took her 14 year old son to the movie. And she is a media hound – reads everything, knows everything, watches the news. Her son plays in a rock band with his friends, plays video games everyday, has no clue what’s going on. Afterwards she said, “I want to thank you because I had the first political discussion about what’s happening in the world with my son after seeing your movie.” That’s a fantastic thing to hear. ALI: I see that the movie is mainstream entertainment that actually shows Muslims as human beings, not caricatures. And it seemed that the Muslim enemies weren’t devils, didn’t have horns on their heads. They were very opinionated – most of them I didn’t agree with, some of them I did. It seems that the title should be, “Who Cares Where’s Osama.” Am I right? SPURLOCK: I think that’s what starts to come out toward the end of the movie. The question is why don’t we hear from them more? Why don’t we see them more? Even in the media, there’s this hard line of news that “if it bleeds, it leads.” If somebody is saying, “We’re all the same. I’m just like you,” that’s nice and all, but that doesn’t sell papers. ALI: The movie focuses, like you said, more on the human side instead of the political… SPURLOCK: There’s a lot of political discussions. For me, the best moments are ones when people open up their homes to me. We were shooting during Ramadan, and I was fasting to build a bridge… ALI: How was that like? SPURLOCK: I did |